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Josh G's avatar

Econoboi is optimistic about the public's ability to allow these firms to operate freely even after bringing them under social ownership. If true, then I support this economic model.

The argument hinges on a very important but subtle note: that compressing the wealth distribution would both mitigate class anxiety and improve the quality of democracy itself by purging actors like Musk, and that this improved version of democracy would act as a solve for socialism's worst impulses.

Utopia is the right word! But I do prefer this model to almost all other far-left ones as a goal. Call it "Socialized Capitalism."

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Great stuff as usual. I mostly agree, but I think the coops have some additional features that can help (the econoboiist model of) a socialist economy.

Beyond worker coops there are also *consumer* coops which can help fill some of the gaps, especially at the local level. Think e.g. credit unions, solar-panel coops, or fan-owned sport clubs (on which I have a post in draft which I may finish soon). I think these are great additions to a socialist economy, though since you didn't directly mention them I'll assume you agree (till you say otherwise).

Even for worker coops there are some desirable features. Objection 1 is true, they are unequal between firms. However, their inequality *within* firms is lower, which appears to make workers work harder, plus (overall) happier. Social trust is also higher (see my post on this) though who knows if social trust would also increase with social ownership in general. In any case, it's also a great way to combat the power of monopsonists.

And of course, there are types of worker coops that'd work perfectly well with social ownership, e.g. mostly giving the workers the voting shares, while mostly giving the state the non-voting shares.

There's scientific evidence which shows that worker co-ops tend to be more productive than traditional firms. Assuming it's not an artifact of selection bias, this would be an excellent reason to have more worker co-ops. But even if that's not the case, we do have another reason that ties into objection 2. I have not seen any scientific evidence for objection 2 (I've not read all your work, so apologies if you've mentioned it before), but I do find it quite plausible.

However, it should be noted that the (temporal distribution of) unemployment in a worker co-op economy, wouldn't be as bad as with conventional firms. See, worker coops have higher resiliency, which means fewer people become unemployed during economic downturns. On top of that, worker co-ops tend to lower wages rather than firing people, combating the misery of economic downturns even further.

For the Keynesians among us, think of this as a natural way to dampen the boom-bust cycles. Instead of the government having to spend a lot during economic downturns, the firms themselves would pick up some of the slack.

Beyond all the features mentioned, there's another important function they could provide: a fall back. Say the state does start to get corrupted by authoritarians/oligarchs. With economic power more widely distributed among worker- and consumer co-ops, it becomes harder to achieve a power grab. If the econoboiist state does fall, it wouldn't fall into despotism but more likely into a somewhat worse version of socialism. The fall of econoboiist socialist states would be more rare with widespread co-ops, but more importantly, with widespread co-ops it becomes easier to eventually bounce back to econoboiist socialism.

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